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What a free world we live in...

It's nice to know that, should I ever feel threatened by evil, terror, or similar buzzwords, that armed forces will raid the houses of everybody in entire towns right across the countries that threaten me, and shell refugee camps, in order to locate these weapons of evil and bring to justice everybody who might possibly use them against me.

All in the name of freedom, too. Gosh darnit, it makes me so patriotic to know that my country secretly condones this sort of action...

You know, somebody at work recently said something really funny to me. We were talking about the situation in the world today, and I was giving my opinion - that is to say, I was explaining that I'm opposed to violence as a solution (this wasn't with regard to the Middle East, this was about the Afghanistan thing, but it's still a valid reflection of the idiotic views people have). The conversation went something like this (bear in mind he was deadly serious) -

Me: It's ridiculous, it's not solving anything
Him: But what alternative is there?
Me: Well we could try talking first
Him: That never works, action is what we need
Me: Well we didn't try it, so how would we know?
Him: That's because you have to blow things up to make these people take notice of what you're trying to say

Now somebody tell me - is that the view of somebody against terrorism, or somebody who is for it (when it aids their beliefs), but has been sufficiently brainwashed by the media that they think they're in the right? The hysteria over terrorism seems to allow people to justify any ridiculous idea that comes into their heads....

I really need to stop reading the news, it's just depressing......

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Right, didn't we try talking first when we demanded that the Taliban handed over Bin Laden, to which they refused...that gained us so much progress didn't it? Whilst Al'Qaieda were busy planning new attacks on america, italy, france, GB and canada....Nice one!

"We think this guy that you support is bad, he might have done bad things but we can't prove any of it, and we want him. Go back on your promises to him, and give him to us or we'll bomb you"

That's not talking. In fact, isn't that... why, yes, I think it is.... that's terrorism. Funny old world, isn't it?

We can't prove it..apart from the videos of him smirking at how well it was planned..

If such videos exist, they certainly weren't available before we stormed Afghanistan. We had no evidence at the time, and whether he did it or not, we had no right to just assume he did and demand that he be handed over without question.

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in addition to what Jamie has already said (i.e. there was *zero* proof presented that al-Qaeda were actually responsible), how do you know "new attacks" were being planned? that's a genuine point of curiousity. and in any case... shortly after america started carpet bombing afghanistan, the taliban offered to hand over osama bin laden to a "neutral" third party country - like pakistan. america refused, and thanks to the media a hunt for an international terrorist was transformed into a witch-hunt against the taliban. not that i'm sorry the taliban are gone, but i am saddened by what was done to that country.

How do i know? Because its common fact that plans were found to target London, that really high building in Canada, poison the sewage works in Italy, um...Eiffel tour...isn't that enough

what sort of plans? feasible ones? or just ideas? who found them? where'd you hear about them? who made it "common fact"?

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his view actually looks like that of someone endorsing terrorism. "That's because you have to blow things up to make these people take notice of what you're trying to say" - guess how many folks say that of america?

I would imagine that it's quite a popular belief - that actions speak louder than words. The morons ;o)

"We have to show them that we won't tolerate their behaviour"

"We have to destroy the mechanisms by which they inflict evil on us"

"When our goals are achieved, we'll stop our attacks"

The words of a nation defending itself? Or the words of a terrorist organisation? Or is there no distinction? :o)

And as I recall, my response to him saying that was something akin to

"Isn't that what the IRA used to say?"

The conversation quickly died as he realised that, despite being a good ten years younger than him, I'm a good deal better at arguing. He'd been patronising me up to that point, and after that, he suddenly stopped ;o)

Probably just got irritated and gave up with your smugness and arrogantness

or maybe he just realised that his arguments were as self-defeating as yours are.

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Either that or he was a stupid fuck who thought violence was the answer to problems. Sound familiar?

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The infrastructure of terrorist organizations must be destroyed. If it is not destroyed, we will all suffer. The reason why the US entered Afghanistan is to destroy Al'Queda structure...not to kill civilians. In fact, they try very hard not to kill innocents, unlike fucking jerkoffs terrorist fucked up messed up assholes. (sorry for my language)

There is no other solution but to destroy these organizations at all costs, be it to destroy their financial structure, logistics, and "human resources". Same goes for Israel. Israel is after criminals...not after civilians. And there's no way to catch these losers unless Israel enters the fricking places where these cowards hide like lamers behind their children. They are losers who dont give a fuck about their lives, nor their children's lives. ISRAEL NEVER INTENTIONALLY KILLS INNOCENTS. There are unfortunate accidents, but its never intentional. ISRAEL DOES KILL CRIMINALS...BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE RUN. (Police shoot criminals who run from's a way of life) EVERY AL QUEDA, HAMAS, AND ALL OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS DO KILL INNOCENTS. That's a FACT.

I've decided that you and I are simply not going to see eye to eye on this one ;o)

However, I will point out a couple of things:

(Police shoot criminals who run from's a way of life)

Way of life or not, it's wrong. There is no justification for taking another person's life except in a case where there is direct proof that if you don't take their life, they will inevitably kill others. The suspicion that if somebody gets away they might kill people isn't justification enough - you have to be able to say categorically that if you hadn't shot them that second, then in a couple more seconds, innocent people would be dead.

And whether Israel intentionally killed civilians or not, the fact remains that civilians are being killed or injured, and the Israelis are making it impossible for the emergency services to get to them. The fact that civilians are being hurt is accidental - the fact that they're not being allowed treatment because of the "threat" that ambulances pose is tantamount to murder.

And as for Israel deeming it necessary to carry out house-to-house raids, well, see my recent update for what I think on that... I've decided to turn my indignation and outrage into satire and parody instead.... :o)

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