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2012
unknownj

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2229138.stm

It turns out that children can't name composers, or quickly identify musical instruments from a genre that they have no interest in. I don't know about you, but I think those kids should be shot for that.

No, not really. Frankly, I'm having a little trouble working out what it is that seems to be the problem here. Apparently, the children between 6 and 14 years of age couldn't identify a clarinet or french horn, or something... Much as I love music, and cultural enrichment, I have to ask why this should bother anybody except a few music academics who want to make themselves feel a little more significant.

My first clue as to how stupid this whole thing was came when I found out that the entire thing was sponsored by Classic FM. I find it implausible that Classic FM could possibly run a survey of kids and come up with responses it likes, because there's a very different mind-set to the world these days, and adults seem to have missed this. Kids, for the most part, couldn't care less about classical music, and I can't say I blame them. I'm partial to a little Beethoven every now and again, and I love Bach and Handel, but I don't think my life would be all that terrible without them in it.

I mean sure, the existence of such music is a wonderful thing, but why is it important that 6-14 year olds know it? Surely we should be improving their literacy, or numeracy, or teaching them to be emotionally responsive... When they're highly paid professionals later in life, then let them go forth and explore culture and find out what real music is. But don't get too fed up if they don't know yet - it's all there for them to find if they want to, and if they don't, then don't force them.

And speaking of music, I've been reading about the MOBO Awards (Music Of Black Origin). All I can think of saying is that if you had a Music Of White Origin award, you'd probably get shot for it. This year's "sensation" is apparently "Ms Dynamite" (who I have mercifully never heard of before). Before she became a Garage Singer (and while I'm on the subject, WTF *is* Garage? Answers on a postcard please), she wanted to be a writer or teacher. Well I for one am glad that a potential carer for children was convinced to instead enter a music genre that seems to be promoting division and violence. Good for her. Or something.

The world is fucked.

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hehe.
what garage is depends on whether you are british or american.

the british one is like...r n' b or something. uh. with some kind of dance type backing

the american one is loud and noisy.... from kids in bands playing in their garages. which makes sense.

i don't really know what i'm talking about

that if you had a Music Of White Origin award, you'd probably get shot for it.

I hear you can get shot for merely suggesting such an awards could exist! :0P

Well I for one am glad that a potential carer for children was convinced to instead enter a music genre that seems to be promoting division and violence. Good for her. Or something.

Nice! ;0)


it's kinda funny that these MOBO awards are deemed necessary when the single biggest musical genre in the whole fucking world is hip-hop - a predominantly black form of music. and pop music is heavily dominated by that painful r'n'b - again a typically black form of music. and rock'n'roll was born from the blues - a black form of music. need i go on? :P

Positive discrimination/racism makes me almost as sick as the negative stuff - it's encouraging division and separatism. While I think that homogenisation is bad, specifically recognising a difference in a music style and attributing it solely to race is damaging. Music Of African Origin would be fine since it's a valid distinction, but as it is "black" just speaks of all too many racial differences that aren't healthy for an evolved society.

And indeed, almost all music is of black origin anyway, even Eminem ;o)

i'd generally agree with you. on the first paragraph. but...

almost all music is of black origin anyway

except all that classical (yes, i know the term classical refers to a specific period, but i'm using it as a blanket term for all that sort of music because i'm nearly totally ignorant about it :P) european stuff , and european folk music, and american country music, and all the other forms of music/dance that are the cultural heritages of every country.

yunno, apart from all that shit, you're spot on. ;)

Yeah, but everybody knows classical, folk and country suck ;o)

jess wrote this

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actually country music comes from black roots as well. when all the black people were taken over to america from africa to be slaves. they invented jazz, country and rock'n'roll and then the white people stole them like they stole everything else those people had.

uhuh. music gcse. go me.

Re: jess wrote this

i studied blues and country music at university, and chose to write an essay on it. :) this means i can simply quote myself:

"What came to be known as country music was predominantly rooted in the folk traditions of the European backgrounds of the white American Southerners, also drawing depth and style from black blues music."

country music and the blues (once the blues was appropriated by a number of successful white performers) were rapidly fused and shot off into various different styles of music. initially, however, country music was rooted in folk, and blues in black slave call-and-response chants.

it's rather depressing if unsurprising just how long it took for black blues artists to actually achieve any recognition beyond the infamy afforded a few great travelling bluesman. but then, that never was the point of the blues.

Also quoted on the BBC site:

The Mobo Awards, now in their seventh year, honour "all types of music from urban culture" - so tough shit if your music is from the suburbs or out in the countryside.

As for a garage singer (please don't legitimise the genre with a capital G) perhaps it meant she used to sing between asking "Which pump?" and "Do you record mileage?".

Now in my day garage bands were, as stated elsewhere, young hopeful US bands who supposedly practised in their garages. Possibly the most famous were The Electric Prunes (stop yawning at th eback - this is culture!). These bands were also known as punk about a decade before The Sex Pistols.

As for your comments on culture I am shocked that a child of mine cannot see the importance of being able to distinguish between a clarinet and a french horn. Along with knowing which cutlery to use and how to hold a fine china tea cup properly (the exact angle of the little finger is vital), the ability to identify instruments is one of the most important skills that everyone should possess. Dammit! They do not need to be able to do simple sums or read and write; they'll be able to steal computers to do that. But imagine the social disgrace when listenening to the latest hit from Sir Eminem, UN Cultural Ambassador to Poor Places, one of these youngsters says "that's a wicked bit of clarinet, innit!" Only to discover that it was a french horn!!! The shame.

so tough shit if your music is from the suburbs or out in the countryside.

That's okay - we'll hit back with the Home Counties Punk Awards. The best in outrageously political rock from upper middle class bands across Beds, Berks, Bucks, Herts and Oxon. Musicians need not apply.

And perhaps my inability to practice in the garage is in part responsible for my not yet being a rock star. If you clear it out, then Ed and I will have somewhere to jam :o)

But imagine the social disgrace when listenening to the latest hit from Sir Eminem, UN Cultural Ambassador to Poor Places...

*LOL*

You just watch, he'll be appointed ANY day now....

Why didn't you say you wanted to practise in the garage. I'll happily give you a lift round to Chiltern Hills sits back and congatulates himself on yet another piss-poor piece of humour - Oh my sides are splitting -Ewww!

Well I for one am glad that a potential carer for children was convinced to instead enter a music genre that seems to be promoting division and violence. Good for her. Or something.

That's as much as ridiculous comment as looking at some Oi! skinhead right wing punk band and calling all punk music racist and violence inciting, which i daresay would annoy you a lot ;P

I'm no fan of Miss Dynamite, but her lyrics frequently tackle social/political issues (from what I've read) and she's just headlined the latest ANL Carnival in Manchester.

Tarring the entire genre just based on So Solid is pretty short sighted :P

That's as much as ridiculous comment as looking at some Oi! skinhead right wing punk band and calling all punk music racist

Wrong, you've got your comparison backwards. Just because one is, doesn't mean the whole genre is. However, if the genre is, then it's generally a safe bet to say that some of the artists in said genre are. Like I said - I haven't even heard of her, until today I didn't know she existed. However, my comment was perfectly valid - she WOULD have been caring for children, but instead entered a divisive and violent genre of music. You can't deny those facts.

And I tar the whole genre based on a large number of acts - So Solid Crew are just one of those.

Wrong, you've got your comparison backwards. Just because one is, doesn't mean the whole genre is. However, if the genre is, then it's generally a safe bet to say that some of the artists in said genre are.

um, surely the artists that make up the genre define it, rather than the genre defining them? because Artful Dodger / Craig David are considered "UK garage", yet they don't write violent lyrics.

Like I said - I haven't even heard of her, until today I didn't know she existed. However, my comment was perfectly valid - she WOULD have been caring for children, but instead entered a divisive and violent genre of music. You can't deny those facts.

yes i can. Garage is a type of music, the lyrics So Solid etc (what i've seen calld "gangsta garage") write merely reflects their lives, to an extent, to the same way gangsta rap (before it became a horrendous cliche) did for NWA in 1988. Not all rap = violent, you've got artists like Public Enemy who are fiercely political, Run DMC who do (i spose would be called) party rap.

Same goes for garage, like any other genre of music.

Don't even get me started on what a cock Craig David is ;o)

You keep bringing up So Solid Crew as if they're the only garage act that write violent lyrics... There are a LOT of groups who either tackle violent issues, are violent themselves, or promote division (either racial or social). I never said punk and rock etc. weren't violent (because they are), a LOT of music is like that, garage moreso than a lot of other genres.

possibly, but thats down a lot due to social issues - its not called "urban" music for no reason ;)

i just think its wrong to write off any genre of music simply because whats coming out of it isn't particularly nice.

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