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2012
unknownj
Ugh, I just saw a really disturbing image on the news... They were showing footage of workers cutting down the last remaining steel girder from the twin towers, and stuff. What disturbed me was that the crowds around it were chanting "USA! USA!". This is something that's troubled me for a long time, because I find it difficult to understand quite why that chant seems so prevalent in US culture.

See, now if an athlete was winning a gold medal for the USA, I can see why fans might chant that - it makes sense. When we win in football, we have loads of chants about England, so you know, I can see a similarity. But I can't think of a single other country that chants its own name whenever they feel an emotional response is required, but don't know quite how to come up with one. It's all a bit scary, really - almost like a celebration of their country. Well what are you celebrating guys? I'd love to know what sort of victory there is in finishing cleaning up the site where 3000 people lost their lives.

Somebody remind me next time I see some poor sod get the shit kicked out of him on the streets, to stand there and chant "USA! USA!" if I can't think of anything else to do...

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I have to completely agree with you on that James. It strikes me as exceptionally weird!

Maybe I should strike up a chant of Eng-ger-land at the next funeral I attend!

As an American...

Well, I agree with you to a point. However, I think it was meant more as a show of soliderity than a celebration of any sort. Here, it's a kind of rallying cry to bring the masses together under a unified theme. Chanting "USA" at the final 'cutting' is a way over overcoming the pain associated with 9-11 and moving on.

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Some sort of nationalist triumphant chant is probably not the most unified theme, though. A show of solidarity doesn't usually involve mindlessly chanting an intimidating "Nobody can beat us" message - that just borders on the sort of arrogance that gets the US into these messes...

Yes, the USA is arrogant. I freely admit to that.

"Some sort of nationalist triumphant chant is probably not the most unified theme, though."

I disagree, it is a unified theme.

I think you'd have to be American to truly understand... Chanting "USA" is not necessarily a bad thing, it symbolizes national unity as I stated earlier.

However, I am of a belief that because of the prior arrogance of my country we will continue to get "into these messes" as you stated.

But, the entire world is in a shit load of trouble, so arrogance on the part of the USA is not my main concern.

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

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Ah, you meant national unity, as opposed to unity among all those who lost their lives (who came from many countries), or indeed unity among those affected by the tragedy (most people in the world in some way or another). Ironically, national unity is a strong force for harming global unity - it leads to a feeling of isolationism and xenophobia....

I think you'd have to be American to truly understand... Chanting "USA" is not necessarily a bad thing, it symbolizes national unity as I stated earlier.

We often have to realise how we are perceived to measure our impact on other people/countries/cultures! Herein is a classic example! The majority of the world (95% I believe) are not in fact USA citizens and as James quite rightly states below neither were a number of victims of this terrible attack!


Yes, there were many other victims than just Americans.

But, you have to understand. This occured here, not in another country. It was like the USA itself was being attacked (which it was).

So, while I am sorry for all who died and lost loved ones (whatever country they came from) imagine what you'd feel like if some national monument in England was destroyed. Yeah, not all the ppl who died there would have been British, but it would have hit you harder than the rest of the world. Simple as that.

It happens.... Everywhere but the US was suffering terrorism long before you guys, and we never felt the need to chant our country name as if to remind ourselves where we were....

You're missing the point.

But, nevermind, I probably am too. Whatever.

i assume it was because, well.. there's not been a war, any sort of major hostile act in North America since, what the 1899 war against Spain. From what I remember the news saying, American civillians were totally shocked because they never expected something to happen on their home soil, I guess..

So chanting "USA! USA!" as if they're somehow victorious is the solution?

it could be a way of getting over the shock and solidfying the nation, i guess.

Presumably if you've not gotten over the shock after almost nine months, then shouting out the name of your country probably isn't going to miraculously do the trick...

Quit being so contrary Danuek ;o)

meh. i don't pretend to know anything, i'm just repeating what i heard on TV ;p

Argh - 30 years of the IRA still didn't have us chanting Eng-ger-land in Warrington/London/...!

There is a dierct comparison!

i agree it was probably meant as more of an act of solidarity and "let's be strong and move on" type of thing.

i wouldnt ever expect anyone else from another country to imagine anything horrible that occurred here in our country. it's hard to say why people do anything when there are emotions involved.

i think the important thing is to be more accepting of stuff like this and not pull it apart so much.

it was whatever it was.

i wouldnt ever expect anyone else from another country to imagine anything horrible that occurred here in our country. it's hard to say why people do anything when there are emotions involved.

I disagree - I don't give a shit about countries myself, and as such, things affect me just as much wherever they happen. If it had happened in this country, I doubt I'd have felt especially different. I had close relatives who worked in the World Trade Center, so it's not like I'm detached. On the other hand, I know nobody who lives in Portsmouth (UK), even though it's just down the road from here. Ergo, if it happened there, I'd probably care a good deal less.

I don't give a shit about countries myself<.i>

i think you hit on the answer right there. those people chanting "USA" care about their country in a way you cant relate to.

and just for the record...i never said you were detached at all.

deranged, maybe...

heh.

But caring for a country to that extent is a false, divisive type of compassion. In a situation affecting practically every developed nation in the world, involving people from many nations, with worldwide repercussions, why does it matter whose chunk of soil it happened on?

I can understand an affinity for a culture, that's fair enough - a desire to in some way protect and remain faithful to a set of beliefs or traditions. But countries are arbitrary, and the sooner people notice that, the better. Are you saying that if it happened in Canada, US citizens wouldn't care so much? That's a disturbingly narrow-minded picture of a nation that's being painted...

And I never claimed not to be deranged. I merely maintain that I'm one of the good sorts of crazy.

Hahahaha I just saw this and thought you may find it amusing! :0)


*lol*

It's great :o)

The chanting of "USA, USA" at inappropriate occasions is typically something done by rednecks and people from New Jersey. It's sad to see New Yorkers resort to this; and the sudden embrace of unity with the rest of the country following 9/11 had always struck me as somewhat of a false solidarity.

Wow - you're from the US and you talk sense!

*speechless*

the "sudden embrace of unity" is quite amusing. take your common car in the parking lot of a grocery store covered in 'these colors won't run', 'join the army', and 'proud to be american.' and only this grand country would use a great tragedy that affected the entire world as an excuse to produce and sell mass quantities of stickers, shirts, and cell phone covers, hbo specials, and yet another person's trashy exposition of the truth in book form.

Oh God yeah, when I was in the US at Christmas, every single grocery store had various stickers and flags all over it... They took "God Bless America" stickers, and wrote "U S A" in big letters with them. It really disturbed me....

well I think that the nationalism that came out of september 11th has not been very constructive overall it has led to horrible acts of violence against naturalized citizens based on ethnicity etc.
I also think that we would not be the usa if we did not allow for freedom of speech
Whether anyone agrees with it or not is not the issue.what is the issue is that they have the right to do so, and that we have the right to debate about it.

Thanks CrOmatin, very well said.

I wish that people who chant "USA!" at inopportune moments didn't have to make all Americans look like morons. But, when that's what the media is putting out there for the world to see, what defense do those of us have who are somewhat worldly and intelligent?

A word to those outside the U.S.: Please try to understand the sensationalist nature of American media, and realize that they mainly report the extremes of our society - most often the worst and seldom the best.

This morning on the radio they were having people call in and say what they couldn't be paid enough to do. Just as I turned it on, a lady called in and said, "You couldn't pay me enough to kill Osama bin Laden. Wanna know why?" Of course, the DJs wanna know why, so she said, "...Because I'd do it for free."

I felt that I should have been laughing, but that was media conditioning talking, not my conscience. I was just grossed out. Why can't people just come off it already?


I would have been laughing, but only in a cynical "Ha, the world is fucked, I may as well giggle while I still can" way..... :o)

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