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2012
unknownj
Ugh, the posters for Night At The Museum 2 have the most obnoxious tagline - "Something Funny's Going On".

GEE, THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO BE FUNNY!

I mean granted, with such an all-star cast list as Ben Stiller, Owen Wilson and Ricky Gervais, I might need a bit of help understanding that they're going for the comedy angle.. But seriously, having to tell people in the tagline for your movie that it's supposed to be funny rather defeats the point. Nobody needs or wants to be told "The people who made this movie think it's hilarious!" - that's a very Ricky Gervais thing to say in the first place, and that does not bode well.

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*shock*

Clever writer, sometimes, I'll give him that. The Office was quite good, though I do think that the American version is better.

But he's not a very funny man. Certainly not when he tries to do any sort of presenting / stand-up. And yet he finds himself pant-wettingly hilarious, like, he just can't keep from laughing at his own jokes. If he was actually funny, I might understand it, but as it is, he's an obnoxious little man who is only amusing to children with under developed senses of humour.

Why, what do you think about him? :oP

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Out-takes from The Office are truly cringe-worthy, because he really does just crack himself up so much.. The only thing I'll say about him is that he must be an amazing actor, because the real guy is so much more annoying than David Brent, and it must take a lot of effort to tone that down for the character..

As for the movie, I'm not saying there won't be funny jokes in there. It would be supremely difficult to come up with ninety minutes of a supposed comedy movie that had no laughs in it.

But that doesn't make it good, or worth anyone's time - not even yours ;o)

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These are entry-level shows. I'm not saying they're not good, they're great, but they have mass-appeal so liking them does not in itself mean that you have a good sense of humour.

Do you like Only Fools and Horses?

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Shows that are popular now won't suddenly become edgy in fifteen years.

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I don't think Jimber was trying to say that you do, just that shows that have enjoyed widespread success aren't suitable litmus tests.

Just checking that you're not completely mad.

That was before Edward reminded me that you liked Red Dwarf 8.

See, he and I watched that the other day, and oh my God that is the worst thing to ever be shown on TV. Everything about it is terrible, and I'm afraid your view of TV is nullified completely by the fact that you could even consider it tolerable.

Like, seriously. I cannot believe it even got made.. And having seen it recently just to check how bad it was, my respect for you has sadly fallen to new lows.

There is only one thing you can do to redeem yourself. Listen to six hours of Blue Jam in a row, and let me know how you feel.

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You should still listen to Blue Jam. It'll fix you.

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Pfft, honestly, you'll love it ;o)

Or, it will crawl into your brain, like some sort of parasitic worm, and destroy you from the inside out.

What's not to like?

The phrases "Christ's knob glue" and "the saviour's dick-snot" both feature in that sketch I was talking about earlier.

If you can't stand to have things unfinished, you really should steer clear of series eight. That ending...

For the record, while series seven was bordeline-unwatchable shite, series eight made it look like high art.

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Open? THE SMEG IT IS. Har har har!

The real story is just upsetting. Originally, Ace Rimmer was going to come back for another diminishing return when, with ten minutes of studio time remaining and Chris Barrie already in his Ace costume, Doug Naylor had the genius idea of dressing his director up as Death and getting Rimmer to knee him in the balls. Oh, that zany Rimmer...

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But Rimmer knees him! In the balls! Rimmer knees Death in the balls! Oh, okay, you win.

Death > Watching that episode again.

Except that by that point, the series was irredeemable, and dragging another character down would just be pointless.

Also, the fact that it ended so badly enabled them to just turn around and say "fuck it" when it came to making the recent special, so in a sense, the use of an even worse device actually helped.

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I liked it. It fit really well into the way they chose to play out the "real life" story. And from a business point of view, it was a good marketing opportunity.

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It was only a brief interlude, it wasn't supposed to be a huge character moment.

And I see your points, weak though they are, and none of them affords them the same sort of marketing buzz that having Carbug on Coronation Street got them. I think what they went with was the best option.

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You'd be surprised. It was on "Dave" after all, hardly a channel with a huge following. It makes sense that they'd want to use a decent gimmick that both existing fans and prospective fans could relate to, and Coronation Street being a national institution and all, it makes sense.

Scrapheap Challenge, on the other hand, would have done nothing. After all, if you'd care about a tie-in to that, then you're probably already a die-hard fan, so why bother trying to impress you?

From a Marketing point of view, it was a real coup to be able to do the crossover with Coronation Street. And I bet that for their viewing figures, it was well worth it.

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Kryten would have been in his fucking element, and let's face it, he doesn't get nearly enough time to shine.

The episode wasn't about him, and the show isn't about him. It's about Lister, it's always been about Lister, except in Season 8, where it was about.. well.. crap..

And you clearly don't understand TV if you think that the purpose of it was just to please existing fans. There's not all that much money in there. Viewing figures from the first night to the second night fell by 50% - that means that twice as many people started watching it as continued watching. Were those people fans? No. Were they eyeballs on adverts? You bet! Were some of them watching because of the Coronation Street tie-in and the resulting additional publicity that was generated for the show? Probably.

Marketing is a science. They don't do these things for the hell of it - they do it because it worked. And as far as I can tell, the Coronoation Street segment worked, and provided a great opportunity to deal with Lister's story, which is what the whole thing was about in the first place.

I have no doubt they could have managed it somehow.

If only I had the time to explain all the ways in which you're wrong there.....

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More relevant? Are you shitting me? You suggested shows that nobody watches, or that aren't even on any more. How is that more relevant?

Just because you didn't like it doesn't make it the wrong choice.

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I don't know why it would need to be relevant to the characters. Especially not characters who aren't Lister - again, have you missed the point of the whole show? It's about Lister. The specials were set on contemporary Earth. The whole point of the dramatic climax with Kochanski was that he didn't want to pretend, later mirrored in his discussions about the "dream" Craig Charles pretending to be somebody else for a living. It's an important point about Lister's character that there's a certain and deliberate honesty and authenticity to him.

I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but if they were going to do a tie-in (which was really the finest way of executing the concept of being in "our" world) then that was absolutely the best and only reasonable option.

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"just because Lister is the main character, it had to be him"

Yes. Well done for understanding the point of a main character.

I've already explained, none of the others are even in real work at the minute, which would kind of fuck up the whole "contemporary earth" thing a bit if the show tried to pretend that they were :oP

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Rimmer's easy - Tomb Raider.

Or perhaps a revival of Prince Among Men..?

It just made most sense for that part to be Lister's. You can argue about whether they could have made that segment better, that's up to you, but the choice of cross-over really was a simple one. Only one show really fits.

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Sometimes you have to make those choices in order for your show to get made. If your show isn't going to bring in the required viewing figures, and get the right level of advertising revenue, then you don't make it, simple as that.

I still maintain that the crossover is a great plot device, and that the choice was the best they could have made. The fact that it represented a great opportunity to market the show also helps. Without plenty of viewers, there is no show.

Well, given that cast, and the trailer that I saw for the first film, I would say that a more suitable tagline would be "Something Very, Very Unfunny's Going On".

So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they were going for irony.

I was ready to be all "Yes, well done for seeing what I did there", but the second paragraph/line saved it :o)

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Where is it linked to in AMA?

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Oh. Probably. I expect I didn't code it to exclude my own personal journal, because I usually don't get more than a couple of comments per post, as evidenced by recent history :o)

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